No. Swetland. I wish Catholics would get over this division and learn that we are Christian too. It is fitting to receive the Anointing of the Sick just prior to a serious operation. this division is silly when there is supposedly unity and people asking for forgiveness of sins but yet don’t want the protestant anywhere near… oh well. But … You keep telling folks who are asking for help re confession that all you do is arrange to see your priest and you have different views on Confession. If we could properly work together in unity and allow the differences to be had in us to bring us closer together then all be okay. We are talking about anointing of the Sick Sacrament and somehow its gone on again, You know how to win me over don’t you - not The Idiot…. Yes, under certain circumstances, non-Catholics can receive the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick. :shrug: In a way, the various churches are like clubs - they all have their ‘rules’ If you are a member of the club then you obey the rules - or get out. “Baptism is the gateway to all the sacraments, so we can’t anoint someone who hasn’t been baptized. I don’t want you to feel unwelcome in my Church, but so many Catholics are on defense, as are Protestants. Canon 844, §1. Christian Christian Christian. A careful judgment about the serious nature of the illness is sufficient. Silly really because we all are Christian but that is what the Catholics want and we respect that more than Catholics realise. As Christians, we have more in common than in division. Thank you again for all that you do, and God bless you. We just simply want to keep the peace and stay away from Catholics because of their attitude towards Protestants. But to wave this at me everytime is just not going to win anyone over. validly, though it may lead to an infirmity that does warrant anointing (e.g., having just received a lethal injection or having been seriously wounded in battle).18 The traditional teaching that only those who suffer from a serious bodily infirmity can receive the sacrament of anointing of the sick is not broadened by the Second Vatican Council,19 We should all be “nondenominational.” But in doing so, share each others’ reasoning for doing certain things. I stumbled across your station one night at work on an app on my phone. I never said thank you, but that’s a wonderful reply. 1515 If a sick person who received this anointing recovers his health, he can in the case of another grave illness receive this sacrament again. presbyters) are ministers of the Anointing of the Sick" (No. am not going to play your ball game The idiot because you just don’t like that am not Catholic and that is your prejudice, Now your posts are getting personal towards me aren’t they and isn’t that breaking the rules of this board. We are all Christians, as you say. (Ministri catholici sacramenta licite administrant solis christifidelibus catholicis, qui pariter eadem a solis ministris catholicis licite recipiunt.) And those rules are steeped with prejudices about those not obeying to your club rules. “Is he a baptized person?”. It is practiced by many Christian churches and denominations. By the grace of this sacrament the sick person receives a strengthening of faith and the gift of being united more closely to Christ in his Passion. I personally think Canon Law goes too far at times. The Rite of Anointing tells us there is no need to wait until a person is at the point of death to receive the Sacrament. Green Bay, WI 54307-0707. Can Protestants receive Anointing of the Sick. As for “not wanting” others in our services, nothing could be further from the truth, at least for me. Just don’t have the Pope as the Head of the Church. Although Protestants did not abolish all these rites, their churches did deny that all were sacraments. Father Simon Says December 22nd – The Magnificat. They have abandoned a sacramental theology that would have allowed their faith practices to keep that theology alive. The anointing of the sick is administered to bring spiritual and even physical strength during an illness, especially near the time of death. Does a person have to be dying to receive this sacrament? I don’t believe a Protestant can receive the Anointing of the Sick. “Right now, I think grace is already working in his heart. But somehow we allow the differences between all of us to get us wider apart rather than narrowing the gap. 1516). What is The ‘Thousand Year Reign of Christ’? I don’t tell Orthodox Christians how to do things like confession , or whether they should present themselves at the Chalice - that’s up to their priest not me. I have to say that as a Catholic, this reply and the responses to it make me sad. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments licitly to Catholic members of the Christian faithful alone, who likewise receive them licitly from Catholic ministers alone. While it may not be excessively hard to observe a manifestation of Catholic faith regarding the Sacrament of Anointing, the proper disposition may be tough to discern. PO BOX 10707 “I have a good friend who is terminally ill and he’s not a Catholic, even though he’s been very receptive to having a conversion,” explained Danny in Sonoma, California. ChadS 1. It is most likely one of the last sacraments one will receive. Whether Anglican or Methodist or Baptist etc. Have you ever had a loved one, a friend or family member, who was terminally ill or near death, and you wanted to do everything you could to help? The Litanies and scriptural quotations “for the dying” in the Pastoral Care of the Sick book can be very helpful. Father Rocky’s 40 Lenten Lessons on the Mass. Listening to your programming has renewed my faith, in ways I never thought possible. So he needs to want to be baptized, which means he wants to be in union with Christ,” explained Msgr. Responding to the Protestant’s denial of this sacrament, the Council of Trent decreed in its Doctrine on the Sacrament of Extreme Unction (1551), “This sacred anointing of the sick was instituted by Christ our Lord as a true and proper sacrament of the New Testament. I have asked a moderator to delete it again because I think it will just lead to more argument and if you had seen it had been deleted did it occur to you it may have been tactless to bring it up again. and is it any wonder am slightly wishing not want to be Catholic or turning anti Catholic if every time I join in someone waves this card at me saying ‘but I am not Catholic’ This is n way to try and win my heart over to Catholicism. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died to … The Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Coptic and Old Catholic Churches consider this anointing to be a sacrament. We have all the same anyway so why would we go to a Catholic Church to rub their noses in it to gain any sacraments? Next time if in doubt don’t ask here but ask your priest and if you can’t ask him then ask yourself why not? She is a wife, mother, and graduate of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, where she studied journalism and advertising. Like Confession and Holy Communion, the other sacraments commonly performed in Last Rites, the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick can be repeated as often as is necessary. In that case it is the priest’s responsibility to attend to them as much as possible and meet their needs. It sounds like he has a Baptism of Desire already, but let’s go to the next step, so keep up the prayers, keep up the sacrifices, Danny.”. For non-Catholics, the priest uses olive or seed oil. Presuming this person is a life long Protestant they never would’ve been confirmed in the Catholic Church and as such the sacraments are not open to them, just like they can’t receive Holy Communion or Reconciliation. The circumstances are: - They must be baptised. No we on the whole wouldn’t bother a Catholic Priest for anything because they don’t want us. No we on the whole wouldn’t bother a Catholic Priest for anything because they don’t want us. I have no idea what you are talking about. I don’t believe a Protestant can receive the Anointing of the Sick. Anointing of the Sick, along with Reconciliation, is one of the Sacraments of Healing. “All he needs to ask since he’s terminally ill—the Church kind of works quickly with people who are in a terminal situation—if he seeks and desires Baptism, we can baptize him. In a certain way, he or she is consecrated to bear fruit by being united to Christ’s redemptive Passion. I am not saying that the Church presumes that Protestant communities have Sacraments. Secondly, the scriptural basis of Annointing of the Sick is James 5:14-15. And what would happen is he would be baptized, confirmed, given first Eucharist, and anointed all in the same celebration if he’s open to Baptism. ... Jimmy was born in Texas, grew up nominally Protestant, but at age 20 experienced a profound conversion to Christ. Non-Catholics can only be anointed under the same exceptional conditions outlined in canon 844 for the reception of the Eucharist. And most protestants are very well aware that Catholics don’t want us in their Churches and hence we don’t go. It has been said that the Anointing of the Sick will likely be the last Sacrament that we will receive. Church teaching is quite clear that members of Protestant churches cannot receive things like communion, sacrament of penance. The rite is meant to unite the recipient with the suffering of Christ by calling upon the Holy Spirit to imbue the sick and frail with the strength, peace, and courage to endure the sufferings of … But Catholics on here at least seem obsessed that Protestants would do this that other and actually we would not because we are taught its not wanted by you guys. Follow-up: Anointing of the Sick [7-18-2006] Our piece on the anointing of the sick July 4 brought to mind a couple of related questions. THE ANOINTING OF THE SICK FOR NON-CATHOLICS. The Catechism of the Episcopal Church of the United States of America includes Unction of the Sick as among the "other sacramental rites" and it states that unction can be done with oil or simply with laying on of hands.Protestants provide anointing in a wide variety of formats.The Church of the Brethren practices Anointing with Oil as an ordinance along with Baptism, Communion, Laying on of … - They must be in danger of death. “If we don’t get that far where he desires that and expresses that, can he still receive Anointing of the Sick?” asked Danny. Lindsey Kettner serves as a Digital Media Producer at Relevant Radio®. Yes you , an Anglican , and a Methodist, and Baptist etc are Christians - none of us doubt that BUT you are not Catholic. (Si adsit periculum mortis aut, iudicio Episcopi dioecesani aut Episcoporum conferentiae, alia urgeat gravis necessitas, ministri catholici licite eadem sacramenta administrant ceteris quoque christianis plenam communionem cum Ecclesia non habentibus, qui ad suae communitatis ministrum accedere nequeant atque sponte id petant, dummodo quoad eadem sacramenta fidem catholicam manifestent et rite sint dispositi.). Communion. We are Christian just the same. The former name Extreme Unction was used in the Western (Roman) part of the Catholic Church from the end of the twelfth century until the Second Vatican Council, and was never popular in the Eastern (Orthodox) part. The Anointing of the Sick is grounded in the words of St. James to anoint the sick with oil to bring about healing and forgiveness (James 5:14-15). Yeh we all rub each other up the wrong way and the devil loves these games he plays on us. If a new illness develops or the first illness relapses or worsens, the patient may receive the sacrament a further time. This seems to be a case of taking a quote out of context. The Code of Canon Lawlikewise asserts, "Every priest, and only a priest, validly administers the Anointing of … It says that the sick should “summon the presbyters” for the Annointing. Many Catholics believe that, by adhering to the sacrament of anointing of the sick, they will achieve: Spiritual comfort - sick people who are anointed receive God’s grace via the Holy Spirit. Can non-Catholics receive the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick? The fact is that anyone who is baptized and of the age where he can go to confession is able to receive the sacrament of the anointing of the sick validly. Stuart Swetland, host of Go Ask Your FatherTM on Relevant Radio®. If the danger of death is present or if, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or conference of bishops, some other grave necessity urges it, Catholic ministers administer these same sacraments licitly also to other Christians not having full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who seek such on their own accord, provided that they manifest Catholic faith in respect to these sacraments and are properly disposed. Usually a Catholic in such a situation would receive the Anointing of the Sick, but what can you do for someone who is not Catholic? The anointing of the sick can be administered to a member of the faithful who, having reached the use of reason, begins to be in danger due to sickness or old age. We are very welcome and I very much liked one Roman Catholic Priest and if he had so wanted he may have converted me quite easily back in them days, but wisely I think he did not even try, just happy that we were doing what we were and Anglican.I would have followed him all the way to Catholicism back then because won’t have known enough between Anglicanisma and Catholicism. Catholic canon law indicates who may receive the sacrament: "The anointing of the sick can be administered to a member of the faithful who, having reached the use of reason, begins to be in danger due to sickness or old age." Copyright 2020 Relevant Radio - All Rights Reserved. But he has to seek Baptism. Thus the Protestant teaching on marriage was normally as “high” as Catholic doctrine and may be considered quasi-sacramental. Although it is important to remember that this sacrament is intended for serious illnesses, it is also valuable to offer the graces of Anointing of the Sick … If God really was at the centre of each live then … harmony be here not a red flag being waved at me for not being in your club no offence I repeat. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, : The views and opinions expressed in these forums do not necessarily reflect those of Catholic Answers. The term shows up in the apostles and nicean creeds of later centuries… these were written against early heretical movements like Gnosticism and Arianism. what was it you said about club rules We receive all the 8 Sacraments that you guys receive. In the Catholic Church, Extreme Unction or the Last Rites is the anointing at the time of death. Protestants are Christian by the way and many the Eucharist is the forefront of worship. No point. The second sacrament is the anointing of the sick. In broadening the use of the Anointing of the Sick, the Church has stressed a secondary effect of the sacrament: to help a person recover his health. I am a happy anglican who knows God;). As you said yourself The idiot, you gotta obey the rules. “…Who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who seek such on their own accord…”. The labels we apply to one another are terrible divisions. I am essentially asking whether or not, per that Canon, the Church requires any given Protestant community to have a Sacrament on their own (let’s say… Confirmation) before the Catholic minister is allowed to dispense it to the Protestant. The Anointing of the Sick is one of the sacraments of Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Oriental Orthodoxy, and is also practiced in some Protestant churches.. Sad though it is but any long withstanding active worshipper of the protestant churches are too well aware that we are not wanted in the Catholic Church accept to become Catholic. Mark 6:13 says that Christ send his disciples out, and “they cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many that were sick and healed them.”. Doesn’t Canon 844, paragraph 4 presume that those other Christian communities already have the Sacraments? In an earlier post, another non-Catholic respondent had written the following. A California reader asked: "As my father was dying a year ago, the priest came to the house for the last rites. …and extreme unction (now called anointing of the sick). In 1 Corinthians 11:27, Paul writes that anyone who takes Eucharist but does not “discern the body” of Christ “eats an drinks judgement” on themselves. Sad though it is but any long withstanding active worshipper of the protestant churches are too well aware that we are not wanted in the Catholic Church accept to become Catholic. I think this passage envisages a time where a Protestant is perhaps dying or in such a remote area that clergy from their denomination are few and far between and only have access to a Catholic priest. We are not aliens or mysterious. It was his wisdom not try and convert us makes me admire him all the more now. However, the sacrament is not only for the dying. Anointing of the sick. Now, if a Protestant calls on Catholic clergy, why should they be denied? Other Christians too, in particular, Lutherans, Anglicans and some Protestant and other Christian communities use a rite of anointing the sick, without necessarily classifying it as a sacrament. If they knew what we know then Catholics would know we are Taught that The Catholics do not want us. If during the same illness the person's condition becomes more serious, the sacrament may be repeated. Anointing of the sick is only part of the Methodist health ministry, along with prayer and consultation by parish/faith community nurses. 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